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Old 23rd June 2010, 01:17 PM
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I think this is an awesome idea!

Finally some law-makers are making sense! This idea rocks!

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/cou...-bull-pit.html
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Old 23rd June 2010, 01:26 PM
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Quite honestly I don't think it rocks at all. It is further singling out pit bulls - child eating monsters that they are . There are plenty of OTHER breeds that die in shelters every day too. If they're going to pass something like this, all breeds should be included, allowing for reputable breeders who show/work their dogs to provide documentation of such and thereby be excluded.

I'm not for ANY law that targets one specific breed.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 01:36 PM
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I would have to agree. It is unfair to single out one breed and require all owners to spay/neuter. Reputable breeds and show dogs should be excluded and it should be all around breed legislation rather than just "pitbull type dogs" which I can think of several breeds that can fall into that category

Its a hard thing to call..

The thing that I do not like about spay/neuter laws is that there are BYBs and some owners that would probably not provide their animals with the care they need (ie - vet bills and such) for fear of being fined. But, how can you stop overpopulation without a law. Seems like all the education in the world cannot stop people from going to pet shops and going to non-reputable breeders. It's terribly sad.

Me personally, will always rescue, over going to a breeder. I will always S/N.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:46 PM
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I'm not in favor of BSL either but at least this law also funded money for spay neuters and that is a step in the right direction.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:47 PM
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Just another thought - if people are set on being BYB's to make money off of dogs, they are going to do it. They may no longer breed the ones targeted by the legislation, they will simply move on to another "cool" breed and continue to pump out genetically and temperamentally unsound dogs. Do we really want what has happened to pit bulls to happen to another breed? It COULD be yours, next.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:51 PM
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I'm not in favor of BSL either but at least this law also funded money for spay neuters and that is a step in the right direction.
Oh yes, I agree it is a step in the right direction. $180,000 will certainly help get many animals S/N


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Just another thought - if people are set on being BYB's to make money off of dogs, they are going to do it. They may no longer breed the ones targeted by the legislation, they will simply move on to another "cool" breed and continue to pump out genetically and temperamentally unsound dogs. Do we really want what has happened to pit bulls to happen to another breed? It COULD be yours, next.
Cockers have definitely had their turn.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:53 PM
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Why not go all the way and insist that all pet owners, S/N unless the dog is a pure bred for show purposes or that the breeder is licenced.
How difficult is it for a BYB of pits or any other breed to get licenced in the USA.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:57 PM
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Way back when I lived in a community that made it very, very expensive to get a dog license if you dog was left intact and very, very reasonably priced if they were spayed/neutered. They allowed for those that had kennel licenses but basically if you wanted to have your dog intact you paid a far higher price to do so. Not a great system but it sure did encourage a lot of folks to get their mixed breed or pet quality dogs fixed that otherwise might not have bothered to.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 02:58 PM
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It's not hard. I believe they pay a fee to county animal control don't they?
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Way back when I lived in a community that made it very, very expensive to get a dog license if you dog was left intact and very, very reasonably priced if they were spayed/neutered. They allowed for those that had kennel licenses but basically if you wanted to have your dog intact you paid a far higher price to do so. Not a great system but it sure did encourage a lot of folks to get their mixed breed or pet quality dogs fixed that otherwise might not have bothered to.
I think this is a much better way to go about overpopulation than the above mentioned "law". Though, I highly DOUBT the reason they passed the thing had very much to do with overpopulation in general - more likely a hatred/fear/misunderstanding of pit bulls. And that pisses me off
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Old 23rd June 2010, 03:23 PM
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It was a pretty decent system. You just went in, showed them the spay/neuter cert from your vet and got your tag. Then each year you could renew it for the same reasonable cost because you'd showed that this dog was desexed. I could be wrong (this was years and years ago) but I think it was $25 for a desexed dog of either gender, $75 for an intact male and $100 for an intact female. That coupled with extremely good spay/neuter and shot clinics in the area made it a very smart thing to get your pet fixed and avoid the high dog tag costs of an intact pet.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 03:24 PM
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I am against mandatory s/n across the board. I think it's beneficial for the pet population and all that, but I'm surprised not a single person has pointed out the HUGE flaw here - they are saying that all pit bulls or pit bull mixes must be spayed or neutered at 4 months or face fines. Other mandatory s/n laws have stated similar, usually 6 months is the norm in that type of legislation.

Sorry - but neutering a giant breed dog at that age is IMO reckless and harmful to the dog, not to mention increases the risk of osteosarcoma and bone/joint problems as well as increases the risk of ACL tears.

Spaying that young triples the risk of spay incontinence and osteosarcoma.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 03:26 PM
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Holy cow! yeah, I must have not read that far in. 4 months is verryyy young.
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Old 23rd June 2010, 03:30 PM
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I don't believe in across the board spay/neuter laws whether they are breed specific or not. People should have the choice for their pet as long as they are responsible about it. That's why I preferred the way I posted about before. You pay your yearly dog tag fees based on that decision and if you want an intact animal, you pay more for it. That may be a bit unfair to some but it does help encourage many that should be fixing their dogs to do so.
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In my town it is $5 for a s/n tag or $25 for intact.

Unfortunately the same people who can't control their animals, the root cause of most of these problems, don't even bother getting a tag.
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