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Old 3rd December 2010, 03:55 PM
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3-year Rabies

Iris received a 1 year rabies when she turned 6 mos old. She was due for her 3 year on Dec. 1. She was at the vet anyway to have her ears retaped, we're dealing with broken cartiledge in one ear, and I asked them to give her a 3-year while she was there.

So, called to check on her and the tech told me they gave her a 1-year (WITHOUT CALLING ME FIRST) because she has to be over 2 or 3 and I can't remember which, and has to have had at least 2 - 1-year shots before she can have a 3 year. She said this is on the manufacturer's instructions.

I know this is BS. Pure crap. I've been giving 3-year vaccines forever...

How would you handle this when you speak to the vet himself?

I am so mad I could just scream.

I will not booster her for 3 years and I don't know what to do about my county tags.
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Old 3rd December 2010, 04:35 PM
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I believe the vaccines are the SAME. It is the laws in the state that vary.

I would be DEMANDING that the vaccination certificate be changed to reflect THREE YEARS. Arm yourself with the state, county, and local laws/ordinances. Threaten to take your business elsewhere.

If they refuse to alter the certificate, see if you can find a holistic veterinarian that will. I know in my state the law states, three years or the date listed on the certificate. I raised holy hell when I found out my veterinarian automatically puts TWO year expiration dates on their vaccination certificate. According to the law, I was required to revaccinate a year early even though the LAW only requires every three years. My vet eventually changed the certificate dates and apologized.

The Rabies Challenge Fund is a great resource. They are very helpful, even for support/advice! http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/
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Old 3rd December 2010, 04:35 PM
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It is a load of BS, because the 1-year shot and the 3-year are the same. They can't separate dosage. Just as a daschund gets the same vaccine a Dane would receive.
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Old 3rd December 2010, 04:38 PM
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Just as a daschund gets the same vaccine a Dane would receive.
I like what you did there!
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It is a load of BS, because the 1-year shot and the 3-year are the same. They can't separate dosage. Just as a daschund gets the same vaccine a Dane would receive.
Yes, that's what I thought. They're attempting to pull the wool over your eyes and it's BS!

My vet clinic tried to do the same when I called them on the "Two year" vaccine. They tried to tell me it was a "local ordinance." I responded by throwing (not literally, though I wanted to!) the local ordinance in their faces, which basically states it's whatever the state requires (3 years).

Sadly enough EVERY SINGLE VET in this area does the SAME thing re: "2 year" vaccines.
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Old 3rd December 2010, 04:41 PM
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My biggest problem is we've had the vaccine talk, we've had the food talk. He knows I used to work as a vet tech before we moved here. He also knows I research, research, etc. So I don't understand why they're doing this to me and I also don't know how to go in there and not blow my cool.
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Old 3rd December 2010, 04:42 PM
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Texas doesn't have a medical exemption for the vaccine yet, which sucks!! I'm really hoping it rolls around before Sakari's 3 year ends. Otherwise, the law is in my own hands...
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Old 3rd December 2010, 07:24 PM
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Hmm... with these two issues this week, I'd be having a long talk with the vet or finding a new one. The rabies issue is terribly unethical among other things. It doesn't say much about him or his practice that he takes advantage of his clients and lies to them.
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EXACT same vaccine. Make copies of your state and local laws on rabies vacs and take them in there with the pertinent parts highlighted. They, of course, already know the laws.

Also take in some research on reactions from rabies vacs as a reason why you are not going to do absolutely anything more than the law calls for.

For good measure take in Dr. (help me out here girls) vaccine protocol. ..Dodd's??
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Yep, Dr. Jean Dodds.

http://www.weim.net/emberweims/Vaccine.html
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I have a somewhat different perspective on this subject, as both a dog owner and a tech/receptionist at a vet clinic.

Yes, the vaccinations are the same. We have the same rule at our clinic: puppy rabies, then 1 year RV at the next annual and then on to the 3 year.

I suspect that the rule started because of all the people who skip vaccinations (and the more important check-up) for a year or two after they got the puppy vax. Of course, these are also the folks that often don't properly vaccinate their puppies either. The vets really want to be sure that the dog has had at least one rabies vaccination as an adult before giving them the "three" year clearance. With the three rabies scares we had here in the month of November, I actually don't think that is unreasonable.

The rule is directed at the 90% of owners out there who are less educated and/or less likely to maintain their dogs properly. It's really not an attempt to gouge people or screw them over. It's often not vet ignorance either. It's an attempt to generalize a system into some kind of organization so that dogs won't slip through the cracks somewhere in the owner-reception-tech-vet chain and get sub-par care.

It's hard to make exceptions for the owners who have a specific way they want things done without that getting screwed up somewhere, as everyone is used to doing things by the book. My advice to you would be to be VERY specific about the program you want for your dog. Talk to the vet about the schedule you want, and insist that you want them to verify anything they do to your pet with you if you are not able to be present for the visit. Make sure the techs know the drill too. It's not fair to assume that they know what you want when it goes against their usual protocal.

This mistake absolutely would have happened at our clinic as well, and not because we are slack. First, the techs draw up all the vaccinations for the vets, and we have all been taught that we cannot give three year vax to dogs until they are two and have shown evidence of vaccinations the previous year. We could not enter a three year rabies for a year old dog without special permission from a vet. In the case of a drop off, we most definitely would not have given a three year vaccination without permission from an owner, and it would not have occurred to us to ask if the dog wasn't two yet. We used to give three year vaccinations to any eligible drop off, but we had so many clients complaining about us price-gouging them and giving something they didn't request that we discontinued that rule. The majority of people just will not be convinced and want the bare minimun price-wise, even if it isn't in their pet's best interests and costs them more in the long run.

We do have a show client who has VERY specific requirements that came from the breeder with the purchase of the puppy. This includes an unusual vaccination schedule, among other things. To make sure everyone was on board, she brought in a copy of the purchase agreement, which had the requirements listed on it, and gave it to the vets. There is a copy in her file, an alert for her in the computer that says to check it first, a note in her physical file, and she has instructions to remind reception that she is to talk to the techs first when she needs something done. All these safeguards are for our sake, so that we can be sure that everyone in the clinic knows that her dog is handled differently than the norm. While you may not need to go quite this far, I would be sure everyone in the clinic, not just the vet, knows that you want things done differently.

As for fixing the current issue, I'd make an appointment (over the phone or in the office) to talk to the vet directly and calmly. I'd explain the problem, what you wanted and what was done. Then request that he change the dates in the computer and give you a new rabies tag and certificate that reflects the 3 year status. If he is able to, that is. If he has an AAHA hospital, he may not be allowed to.
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Texas doesn't have a medical exemption for the vaccine yet, which sucks!! I'm really hoping it rolls around before Sakari's 3 year ends. Otherwise, the law is in my own hands...
Actually we got Cody a medical exemption when he was fighting AIHA. Earlier we had changed vets over the whole annual vax issue. The 1 and 3 year vax ARE exactly the same, and at least in our area, the law reads that it is at the discretion of the vet whether you vax yearly or every 3 years.
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Old 4th December 2010, 02:29 PM
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Actually we got Cody a medical exemption when he was fighting AIHA. Earlier we had changed vets over the whole annual vax issue. The 1 and 3 year vax ARE exactly the same, and at least in our area, the law reads that it is at the discretion of the vet whether you vax yearly or every 3 years.
Do you mind sending me a pm about how you got the medical exemption? Who you wrote, called, etc?
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Old 4th December 2010, 04:15 PM
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OK, Long talk with the vet last night about this. He said that I was misinformed by his staff and he told me that if I need ANYTHING about ANYTHING I am to call and speak with him. Don't even tell the receptionists or techs what I want, just ask to speak to him or leave a message if he's in surgery.

He did not give her a 1-year shot. He did not give her any shot. He said since he didn't hear it from my mouth he didn't do anything yet. When I take her back next week he will vaccinate her. Which is fine, she's not really due until the 12th, but I was going to be out of town then.

His normal policy, is to do the 4-6 month 1-year. Then do a 1-year a year after that. Then booster the 3-year after they have had one two year shots. He says this is not due to age, but to irresponsible pet owners.

He said "you know we had the vaccine talk". He is perfectly fine with me doing it my way and she will be getting a 3-year on Wed, per my request.

So, on this case, I overreacted but I feel a whole lot better. However, without you guys to vent to before I went, I don't think I would have been calm enough to have an intelligent discussion. I would have gone in there saying do it my way or I'm going elsewhere ... PERIOD.

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Old 4th December 2010, 04:21 PM
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I kinda had this happen with Ace. He got his first 1 yr shot at around 6 months. went in 1 yr later for a 3 yr shot right before I moved. I moved and turned in our paper work to the military vet clinic and thought i was good for 3 yrs...only to get a phone call that he was due for his rabies yet again 1 yr later. The vet in Nebraska had marked it as a 1 yr and there was nothing they could do about it there and he had to have the new rabies to be able to remain living on post.
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